tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14011761.post243649376934731594..comments2023-11-05T16:19:05.197+08:00Comments on Unam Sanctam: Ecumenism and playactingAndrewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09356738924839809045noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14011761.post-85542633638776781692007-03-05T14:39:00.000+08:002007-03-05T14:39:00.000+08:00You are right. After Apostolicae Curae came out, s...You are right. After Apostolicae Curae came out, some Anglicans get their orders validated by Bishops of the Old Catholic Union of Utrecht who act as co-consecrators and lay hands on them. Some also have some Orthodox bishops present.<BR/><BR/>These folks then, have valid orders but the lines have been blurred somewhat. Then, there's also the question of <I>episcopi vagantes</I> or flying bishops whose lines keep expanding. The Thuc line of bishops is an example of this.<BR/><BR/>But commemoration in the Canon is restricted to one's ordinary alone or a prelate of equal jurisdictional rank.<BR/><BR/>The 1972 Decree of the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship, <I>Cum de nomine</I>, can be helpful in this regard. The Decree notes that the following persons must be named in the Eucharistic prayer:<BR/><BR/> 1. the Bishop of the diocese;<BR/> 2. the Bishop still retaining administration of one diocese after being transferred to another see;<BR/> 3. an apostolic administrator – whether the see is vacant or not – with either a temporary or permanent appointment, who is a Bishop and actually is fully exercising his office, especially in spiritual matters;<BR/> 4. a vicar and prefect apostolic;<BR/> 5. a prelate and an abbot nullius[Andrew: Territorial Abbot, very rare these days] having jurisdiction over a territory not attached to any diocese.”<BR/><BR/>The Decree also notes that "it is permitted to name in the Eucharistic Prayer coadjutor and auxiliary Bishops who assist the Bishop of the diocese in ruling it and others, as long as they have received the episcopal character. If there are many such they are remembered collectively, without mention of their names, after the name of the proper Ordinary..."Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09356738924839809045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14011761.post-65523941516071363252007-03-05T13:29:00.000+08:002007-03-05T13:29:00.000+08:00I was told some Anglican clergy get their orders f...I was told some Anglican clergy get their orders from Old Catholic bishops due to THEIR own doubt about Anglican ordination, thanks to Pope Leo XIII's judgement on that matter. Now if Anglicans themselves doubt their orders, what more do I need to say?The Hymn Selectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571266119775747442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14011761.post-55179929137951280542007-03-04T23:40:00.000+08:002007-03-04T23:40:00.000+08:00Just logic, pure logic. I might have a bit mean an...Just logic, pure logic. I might have a bit mean and uncharitable, now that I read it again. But sometimes, the Truth must be spoken regardless.<BR/><BR/>You know, the Truth will set you free and all that.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09356738924839809045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14011761.post-86594973912598405902007-03-04T23:31:00.000+08:002007-03-04T23:31:00.000+08:00bravo! bravo! wonderful post, great post. A more l...bravo! bravo! wonderful post, great post. A more logical post than ever. andrew, being sensible as always...Mark Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15902952824971869057noreply@blogger.com